AuronKaizer - "Yeah, well one of my chupacabras told me that the last time Seagal came to the land of OZ he b***hslapped so many hobbits that Optimus Prime had to step in and use the force to nulify Seagals berserker rage. Then the Mogwai Gizmo and Marty McFly showed up in Bill and Ted's phone-booth and took Seagal into the future year of 2012 so he could defeat the Mayan calendar and save all of humanity from Ming the Merciless. Seagal then blasted off into space in a '64 Chevy Malibu with Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars on a quest to save the universe from the destructive forces of Space Jesus and his 12 Muppets. Moral: If you're going to lie on the internet at least put some effort into it..." TALK - THE LIST - GAMES - PIT OF RECKONING - SANDBOX - WALRUS GUMBOOT
Can I just ask...WHY no comment section?
Oath to Order– The perceived badassery of any given action will increase tenfold if the action is performed while on fire. TALK– 0_o
With a comment section, it becomes a tourney in itself. All it should do is pick a fight.
XXXXX– Saria: Link, you and I can't exist in the same world. Actually, I'm just dumping you. TALK– Check out my project: The Mass Menagerie!
It's pretty evident we can't think of anything here. There isn't enough material in the game for this, all the characters are the same in every one
Oath to Order– The perceived badassery of any given action will increase tenfold if the action is performed while on fire. TALK– 0_o
Why don't you take it over Murch? I change it once a week (Wensday to Wensday). You have good pretty judgment.
AuronKaizer - "The day it is done and the twilight is nigh. The sun is replaced with watchtower eye, and the clouds have been stained with an ominous dye, like the butcher has wiped off his knife on the sky." TALK - THE LIST - GAMES - PIT OF RECKONING - SANDBOX - WALRUS GUMBOOT
I concur with that. It's too much of a mess for me to handle, let's do it democracy style and give the problems to someone else to solve :P
Murchadah– I have a torture chamber in my closet. TALK
Yea, I guess I could.
Oath to Order– The perceived badassery of any given action will increase tenfold if the action is performed while on fire. TALK– 0_o
Solar flute– "wind, rain, the sun. All can be controlled by this instrument. Take care of it, young link, it is now yours." TALK
people are deleting my comments, rejections, supports, and suggestions on this page.
Dark Ridley– Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds. TALK– {{{19:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)}}}
Here is a suggestion that could help prevent messes in the suggestion page. How about a user can only post one contest a week so that we don't have one or two people placing 3 or 4 contests, rapidly filling the 8 contest limit?
Solar flute– The secret of the Bulblins, parachutes. TALK– why don't they put guardrails on that stupid bridge
Clegazz deleted all of the oppose votes in her suggestion WHICH IS VANDLISM!
Is it ok to delete a suggestion if it goes against the "Only 8 suggestions per week" rule? Xykeb Zraliv 14:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
XXXXX– Do you ever feel a strange sadness as night falls? This is Twilight… And I'm allergic to it. Don't touch my skin. TALK– Check out my project: The Mass Menagerie!
The triforce divided will not stand. Where have I heard that before?
Yes.
Xykeb Zraliv– 4. And the Arrogant Man said, “I wanted only to please you, my King. I know you scheme to replace me. If I betrayed you, it was only to remain your Prince.” TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
Should there be the neutral vote in the vote templates? Right now, there's only support, oppose, and comment.
So... once a fight is picked... the others are just dumped into the archive? Isn't that wasteful? Couldn't the second and third best get rolled over to the next week or something?--Mjr162006 13:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Now that I have thought about, I'm not sure that would ever work out.--Mjr162006 13:28, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
hello. just posting that when it turned to gibberish that on time;that was me. sorry-DekutullaZM 4:06 PM, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Why in the name of Volvagia is the current fight not posted? Did some vandal go through and erase everything on the page? Bek The Conqueror 23:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Huh? Zant's Hand vs. Wallmaster won last week's suggestion vote and is now on the ToC main page. Each time something wins, all suggestions are archived. Or they're SUPPOSED to be anyway. Seems like whoever did it this week messed up and forgot it. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 14:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I think we should make it so you need to make at least 50 GOOD (not spam) edits before one can vote or suggest on here. What does everyone think?Dark Ridley 20:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Xykeb Zraliv– 3. And with those words the King threw down the Prince and stripped away his vestments, and the Prince once again became the Arrogant Man. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
I'm inclined to agree. We've got way too many people that only make accounts to vote for the Temple of Courage and/or Temple of Courage Suggestions.
Bek The Conqueror– "Have you ever seen a drunk baby? It's a long story involving my son, a rum cake, and a low counter. Suffice to say that it turns out at first it's endearing to watch them bounce off the walls but man, you take your eyes off them for one second and bam! They've got a bucket on their head and they're plowing through your brand new flat screen TV. God save me, it was barely out of the box." -Dr. Perry Cox TALK
50 edits? I would have said more... but I suppose that's a happy medium point. At the very least it will get people editing... but what about enforcement?
I like the idea. I think it will be a little hard to pull off but if we can do it then that would be awsome.
AuronKaizer - "Ho ho ho! If it isn't fat stinking billy goat Billy Boy in poison? How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap, stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if you have any yarbles, you eunuch jelly thou!" TALK - THE LIST - GAMES - PIT OF RECKONING - SANDBOX - WALRUS GUMBOOT
Yeah, I agree with this one alright. Of course, I have absolutely no way of knowing how to implement such a system.
How about we add a message to people who have it, and for those who don't yet still vote, we will remove them. Dark Ridley 23:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
EveryDayJoe45– "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!"--Patrick Henry TALK
I agree with this 100%. This is so annoying, and I was just telling AK earlier that I think people (cough cough Big Poe=Nice Guy), are making fake accounts to vote for his selection.
Xykeb Zraliv– 3. And when he saw what had become of the Spying Thief, the Covetous Thief was consumed with Fear, and with the Fear came rage. “I will not follow the Spying Thief in Death; I will not follow. I curse this house and all of us, for in our sin we have cursed ourselves.” TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
Not that I doubt that Big Poe=Nice Guy would do something like that, but what is the evidence pointing to him making a fake account? Did you actually check the IP addresses?
EveryDayJoe45– "It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."--Abraham Lincoln TALK
First off no, i don't have the technology nor the ability to do so. Second lets face it, he seems exactly like the kind of person who would do that. Third look at Godsacredpowers, and tell me what you think. 2 edits, and the edits bumped dark ridley out of first and Big Poe into first. He had no other edits, its a brand new account, it seems very suspicious. of course I could be jumping to conclusions, but I always do notice little stuff like that.
EveryDayJoe45– "I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest."--Muhammad Ali TALK
Someone just said User:Freedle may be a puppet as well. But if so, Its definitely not Big Poe's, since he/she voted against his selection.
I'd just like to clear this up: I am not Godsacredpowers. When you bought that up EveryDayJoe I thought you were teasing me about my oh-so-obvious case of narcissism. I'm also more or less a sportsman (even though I don't do sports you know what I mean) so that kind of stuff just disgusts me. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 00:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
its quite a good idea. it'll encourage people to edit more but if it does come into play will users under the limit be able to cast anonymous votes? OniDark Link 11:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I still think they can vote in the temple of time, just not for suggestions. Dark Ridley 18:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Xykeb Zraliv– 1. On the Day of the Bridge, the Prince returned to the court of the King, and bowed low before the presence. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
I personally doubt that Freedle is a fake account just used to vote on suggestions. The only ones he/she supported are the ones suggested by Dark Ridley and EveryDayJoe45, and I'm considering you two are the main ones against all this, I don't think that it's either of you. The only thing I can think of is that it's somebody that votes but didn't suggest a fight, but I'm not so sure about that. Can't really think of anybody that could be.
EveryDayJoe45– "You want the key, and I want you dead, so we can make this work"--Stalfos (The Legend of Neil) TALK
True, oh well we will never know so We may as well drop it. The real question is whether this counts for this weeks votes, or if it starts next week.
Xykeb Zraliv– 10. And the family of thieves sat together to dine in the house of the Bridgekeeper that was the Mind of the Bridgekeeper, and the wrath of the house fell upon them. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
I say start it next week. It doesn't seem fair to spring this on people in the middle of the week. So who's going to be in charge of checking whether or not a given person has made 50+ edits?
AuronKaizer - "I know not why you oppose me. In one act, I will end all human suffering, and clear the path for the Builder to walk again on earth, history will move forward! My tireless children will build in his name, creating advancements beyond our understanding. Now, it is the dark time before the days of light! Why dost thou oppose me?" TALK - THE LIST - GAMES - PIT OF RECKONING - SANDBOX - WALRUS GUMBOOT
Not me, that's for sure. I stay as far away as I can from things involving numbers, if I can help it.
We could start this week with it, and to make it easier we people userboxes for if they perform 50 edits, or make a list of those who have accomplished this task.. Dark Ridley 16:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
We might be able to see if Richard or someone could change up some coding to where users get a confirmation at 50 mainspace edits allowing them to vote or something. Only problem I foresee with this is people making stupid edits or a bunch of small edits to one page just to make the mark.
could still help though. or we could just not tell that its 50 votes and just say a commonly editing users are aloud to suggest. OniDark Link 17:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
EveryDayJoe45– "Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem."--Ronald Reagan TALK
We really should have this figured out by next week, since this week seemed to fall through.
I agree, I see people who have just joined this week so they can vote... perhaps we need someone to go through this and remove votes from these newcomers? Also if this is going to be a legitimate rule we should add it to the rule box.Dark Ridley 14:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
EveryDayJoe45– "Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem."--Ronald Reagan TALK
well if any conclusion is going to be reached, it needs to be soon, because it is almost time for next weeks to be made.
Do you guys care if I enforce the this new rule? If so, I'll make a short list (for Now) of those who have achieved the 50 mainspace edits requirements. Dark Ridley 19:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
EveryDayJoe45– "Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried"--Winston Churchill TALK
Do not remove that new guy Twilightwizard's votes or suggestion. He put them up before you made the rule.
Okay, but just for this week along with everyone else who voted before the rule, and then next week they to have to obey it. I'll start doing the list Dark Ridley 20:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
K... got another question- I was looking at the rules and this new rule shows up (apparentley you guys have been talking about this for a while now) and I just have to ask... what are mainspace edits?
This is probably not the place to ask this, but is their a certain amount of times you can suggest a fight for the ToC? Like if you suggest a fight one week are you not allowed to suggest one the following week? Thanks for your tolerance (I know how much people hate noobs.) --Twilightwizard0309 19:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, this isn't a gaming clan or MMORPG, so nobody will look down on you for being a "noob". The rules are pretty much all there in that section. If there's nothing about it there, there's no limit to how many fights you can suggest for the ToC. Just don't suggest the same fight two weeks in a row and all that.
Okay, here is the list. The second List will be removed next week. Feel free to edit this, as I know I will forget some names and I'll really just be looking for those who haven't achieved the 50+ edits rule. Dark Ridley 20:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE I'VE MADE 50+ EDITS! OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOG!!!!12!1!1111!
Don't worry, some are obvious. Others are hard due to they vote here alot, but not usually. Though I'll have to get off soon so adding to the list will be halted for a short while. Dark Ridley 20:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
katamariqueen– May the way of the Hero lead to the Triforce TALK– "Lies are like children...they're hard work, but our future depends on them."
congrats AK! i knew you'd make it to 50 someday lol.
wow is that all? i though thered be twice that many. OniDark Link 20:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
katamariqueen– May the way of the Hero lead to the Triforce TALK– "Lies are like children...they're hard work, but our future depends on them."
how would one going about finding their number of edits? do i just have to count them...cuz i'm obviously a very busy person
Xykeb Zraliv– 12. And the Prince and the court of the King bowed down and wept and sang with great praise the name of the King, for great and generous was his wisdom. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
Caiaphasthesympathist has only made 7 edits to the mainspace. Does this mean that the entire suggestion will be deleted?
I don't think it's all that fair to "activate" this new system before everything has been arranged. And there'll need to be some sort of announcement. Regardless, this isn't going to go over well with the non-regulars, not that that should really matter.
This is not all, I've just been busy so I haven't been able to add them all to the list yet. I add them as they vote, and they can add their names to the list as well if they want. Dark Ridley 23:00, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
P.S. For those who want to raise the amount of edits they have done so that they can reach the 50+ mark, Gamehiker has a large amount of Zelda concept art that you can use here as long as you place the images correctly on their appropriate pages and source them. Dark Ridley 23:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Go to Special:EditCount and insert your name. You've made 2 mainspace edits, and therefore, cannot vote
Mainspace edits involve stuff like correcting spelling mistakes, adding useful info, adding pictures, etc... to any article except for here or the ToC. Also talk pages don't count. Dark Ridley 11:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Xykeb Zraliv– 11. And then he touched the Arrogant Man and filled his heart with his warming love, and the Arrogant Man became the Prince, and he knew the name of the King. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
The mainspace is the category in which you edit any of the articles about things in the Legend of Zelda series. You can tell that it's a mainspace article because it will just have the article name, whereas this, for example, is a Zeldapedia page, which you can tell by the "Zeldapedia:" before the article name.
EveryDayJoe45– "You want the key, and I want you dead, so we can make this work"--Stalfos (The Legend of Neil) TALK
Twilightwizard0309, this new rule does not go into place until next week. So you have until Monday to gather 48 more mainspace edits. If you are truly determined to vote next week, you should have no problem reaching 50 by Monday. And yes mainspace edits are just normal pages. Examples are Link, Princess Zelda, Ganondorf, Tingle, Hyrule and basically every other page like that; There is a lot.
Awsome!! Thanks for your help. I'll get started...--Twilightwizard0309 19:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
ok this rule needs to be inforced because people are just voting anyway OniDark Link 11:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
The rule takes effect next week. Dark Ridley 11:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
O. ok. didnt know that OniDark Link 12:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Xykeb Zraliv– 1. The third Man who desired judgment was Frehorn, who had bought from those who made luxuries with the wood that was the Prince’s Soul, and against whom the Prince brought down the pain of the Soul. The Prince came and struck down the lover of Frehorn, and Frehorn knew the name of the King. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
Just noticed, this wiki will finally be free from my arguments with Big Poe=Nice Guy. At least, until he reaches 50 edits, assuming he's willing to do that.
EveryDayJoe45– "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!"--Patrick Henry TALK
As soon as he finds out he needs 50 edits, he will do it in about 20 minutes.
Xykeb Zraliv– 3. “But through ill deeds and unpious living, the Aspects become tarnished, and with this tarnish my name shall never be known, and the trinity will be cast forever into the dark ocean between our lands. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
Thing is, knowing him, he'll probably just do a bunch of extremely minor edits instead of actually helpful stuff.
EveryDayJoe45– "It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."--Abraham Lincoln TALK
I can see that, but there is no rule on how good the edits have to be, so whatever.
How is is that I'm not surprised you're only supporting this so you can get me out of your hair Xykeb? Either way I'll make some minor edits and some major edits so I'll be back soon enough. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 20:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Xykeb Zraliv– 2. And as the Prince watched, the Child was thrown down by his father and broken with the wood of the Prince’s Soul, but as the Child’s Body, Mind and Soul began to drift apart, the Prince held them together, and he said TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
Did you not see the "Just noticed" at the start of my sentence? You apparently haven't learned this is school yet, but that generally has the meaning "I did not notice until now". I'm not sure if you're able to comprehend this advanced logic, but since I put that comment after supporting it, and we take into account the meaning of "Just noticed", that must mean that I did not notice until after I supported it. So no, I did not support this just to get rid of you. It's a just a very nice afterthought. Besides, it's not hard to get 50+ edits. I was expecting to really only be rid of you for a week or two, so it wouldn't be worth it to me to support it just to get rid of you if I didn't want it regardless of that.
Hey remember what AK said a week ago? I've began developing my maturity and sense of relativity so it's your turn to adopt a better sense of humor and learn to recognize things that aren't supposed to be taken seriously better. This is Zeldapedia not YoMommapedia. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 02:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Xykeb Zraliv– 3. And the Prince was satisfied, and Frehorn called all those who would listen and they formed an Order of Blessed Agonies that would work to redeem the follies of the Men of Technology. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
Yeah, you really haven't. I haven't seen anything from you to confirm that anything that's been said about you has had a lasting effect. Also, while there have been times when I haven't recongized things that aren't supposed to be taken seriously, I can't remember a time when it ever applied to you. Pretty much everything I've said seriously has been in response to something you've said seriously. Also, I have plenty of humor. It's the way I express my humor on the internet that I need to work on, not the humor itself (why the @#$% does everybody always make that mistake?). I'd say 95% of the time, I really do understand that people are trying to be humorous. I just don't necessarily respond as if I knew.
Let me get this straight...If you have suggested something before this rule starts, you may continue to vote? If not, I guess you won't see me for a loooong time. I'm more of a research girl, and I don't know a lot about wiki...Probably just mess things up all the time. Mrs.MikauShadLink 23:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Judging by all the discussions that just took place, the answer is no. I've been in the ToC Suggestions since I got on this site a few weeks ago and I'm also the dude who came up with the Majora vs. Zant rumble. If they won't let me odds are they won't let you until you get the 50+ edits. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 01:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Anyone can look at IPs through history. Theres no point into this rule as far as I see, why does this person need to be helpful to the site to vote? I think they should have just been here a good deal of time, I want to stop the anonymous votes. Those votes for Zant say all Darkest-Link123 22:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
AuronKaizer - "Well, it got so that every ticked-off prairie punk who thought he could shoot a gun would ride into town to try out the Waco Kid. I must have killed more men than Cecil B. DeMille. It got pretty gritty. I started to hear the word "draw" in my sleep. Then one day, I was just walking down the street when I heard a voice behind me say, "Reach for it, mister!" I spun around... and there I was, face-to-face with a six-year old kid. Well, I just threw my guns down and walked away. Little bastard shot me in the ass! So I limped to the nearest saloon, crawled inside a whiskey bottle... and I've been there ever since." TALK - THE LIST - GAMES - PIT OF RECKONING - SANDBOX - WALRUS GUMBOOT
Again, this requirement will be needed to suggest a fight and vote on other people's suggestions, not to vote in the Temple of Courage.
EveryDayJoe45– "Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem."--Ronald Reagan TALK
Actually IP's cannot be read if the user has an account. Second I know this seems like a hassle but as AK said, this is only for the suggestions page. So if you want to participate here, just make 50 mainspace edits. Its really not that hard. Sorry for the dilemma
Ahh, I thought IPs could be read by a mod. Ya I could but dont you think that this will become a spam fest? Not real spam but just a bunch of minor edits, anyone can do it. Darkest-Link123 02:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Whoa you guys are right: it is easy. In just a day-and-a-half I significantly increased my edit count to the point I've only got 10 left. And yes they were constructive: I included the so-called battles for the "Salvation of Termina". --Big Poe=Nice Guy 12:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I found out that uploading images to imageless pages counts as an edit. I made 20 edits alone just by doing that. WIsh me luck (and yes I will continue doing so after I'm done).
I'm wondering, if I make an edit that gets reverted will the reverted edit subtract from my total edit. For example I make a change thus increasing my edit count to 26 but it gets reverted bumping it down to 25.
I don't think reverted edits are subtracted from your total. Still, it'd help if you DIDN'T make edits that are reversible, or however you conjugate that one.
Oh yeah it's not like I'm doing it on purpose. Also I know not to enter the same thing if it already got deleted. I already know what happens if one does that and I think you know what would happen to since... well.. you know (in case you didn't know it was blocking me for the extreme time limit of 3 friggin' months).
I suggested something that was shot down and I deleted it. My question is, can I now suggest a new fight, because my old one is gone and not taking up space anymore?23:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)MaloMart (talk)
This week, we've come really close to having a tie, and starting a new ToC fight. We should figure something out, that would prevent it from actually happening, and not keep on not worring that it won't even out.
Eh, it always makes in confusing as to witch date it will be changed, we should just get a set day of the week and think of an overiding system.
Xykeb Zraliv– 1. The fifth Man who desired judgment was the Child, whose father held in his possession the carving of the Slave. The Prince came to him and was at once rightly pleased with what he found, for the house of the Child and his father already knew well the name of the King. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
I say the one with the least opposes should get through, because it therefore has the highest support-to-oppose ratio. Of course, this week, it looks like Deku Butler's Son vs. Flute Boy is getting through (it has 9 votes where Dark Dragon vs. Stallord has 7), but yeah, we need a system for if it maintains a tie.
That's a good idea, but there's still one dilemma that we don't have a solution to (as unlikely as it is to happen): would we do if there was a tie and the two fights had the same number of opposing votes?
If there are any neutral voters, then they should change there votes. If it some how comes out even again then it should go to the one posted first, but only after having the same support/oppose/neutral should it just go defacto to the top one. Mathmatically it most likely won't happen, but there is still a small remote chance it could, so I just picked what someone in an incredibly tight situation would pick. We should just have a set day to change the fights as well, so anyone have a good date?
sunday nights OniDark Link 17:09, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
The Midna– Logarithms are just dancing stumps. TALK– 18:28, July 12, 2010 (UTC))
I've been thinking about this: if you suggest a fight, should you really be allowed to vote on other fights? I mean, almost everyone here is a good sport and will vote impartially, but still. What do you think?
I think that could be a good idea Meep Meep (talk) 18:38, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
I always thought that this was a rule. Either way, it should be put in place. Because some people might vote down just because they want their fight to win. --JazziJäzzi 15:59, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
That is one portion of my edit count that does not need to engorge anymore. Also, yeah, a lot of us may be unbiased, but we can't hope for that to keep up forever.--RedeadhunterContributionsEdits 16:27, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
I think we need to make a rule about suggesting Navi fights. They are simply too unfair and are just asking for flaming and fights. I know it seems trivial, but people just need to leave her be.
Making a rule like that for a minority of users... yeah, sorry, but not only doesn't it make sense, it would set a dangerous precedent. What if someone's offended by all the Tingle hate? Shouldn't they then, by the same token, have a No-Tingle Fights rule set in place? You're just going to have to deal with it.
I fear if such a rule was passed someone would eventually suggest a No Zelda II Suggestions Rule OniDark Link 22:19, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
Xykeb Zraliv– 7. There was the Thief-Son, who came to the house of the Bridgekeeper in innocence, but the Bridgekeeper would not spare him, for the children of thieves will live to corrupt the children of the righteous. TALK– it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
I sympathize with your plight, but it's simply not happening. We can't exclude options simply because a couple of users dislike how people talk about a character they happen to like. By the same token, Portal-Kombat could veto everything from TWW because some people get uppity about the graphical style. You can't change the rules that everybody must follow on a couple of people's whims. The best you can do is use your individual power to manipulate things as best you can, by opposing said Navi fights. And on that note nobody ever really supports Navi fights anymore, so it's kind of a moot point.
Is it possible that we can up 50+ rule to 100+? It might seem a little unfair. But some people edit to reach 50, and then just stop. And I personally don't like that. I think 100 would be a good number. Since it's not hard to hit 100. --BassJapas 00:36, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Then people will edit to reach 100 and just stop. The only way to make people edit continually using the ToC suggestions as an incentive would be to use a percentage. -Isdrakthül 00:41, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
The percent changes as the total edit count gets higher right?
And is 15-20 a good goal? --BassJapas 00:45, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Yes to the first, maybe to the second. I don't really know what a good goal would be. -Isdrakthül 00:49, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, this is a kind of tricky situation. The percentage thing might be good, but maybe a proportion of blog edits to mainspace edits would be better, so that blogs are stunted in their growth while encouraging both mainspace edits and talk page edits and the like. Maybe a 1:5 ratio or something (meaning that for every blog edit a user makes, he or she has to make 5 mainspace edits in order to suggest). The™ 01:02, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Hrmm, do we want to use the ToC as an incentive to make people edit more, or will that just cause people to run around making unnecessary edits just for the sake of upping their count?--FierceDeku 19:35, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, we do want to use the Temple of Courage for that. However, the point about users making pointless mainspace edits is a good point. If we made it so that they had to make a certain amount of good, non-undone edits (and somehow check this), then that might work. If we did 50 good mainspace edits, then we would need someone to check each new user's 50 edits, which could take a few minutes for each user checked. That might work out, though. Is 50 a good number if we make it so that the edits must be good? (Or we could have it as having either of the following to suggest: 100 of any edits or 50 good edits) The™ 23:36, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Manually checking up on every user who votes in the ToC for 50 good mainspace edits doesn't sound feasible to me. You'd have to pick out the mainspace edits, read all 50, and if some of them aren't useful, you have to keep track of how many are and go beyond the first 50 edits to see if the user eventually totals 50 useful ones. Also you can be skimming through and dismiss something because it was improperly formatted or used incorrect grammar, but not notice that it actually added useful information (heck, people do that sometimes while going over recent changes). No offense but I think a few minutes per user is a huge underestimation. Nice as it would be to judge if a user's edits have been constructive or not, I don't know that it'd be worth that kind of effort.
What if we set a limit to ensure the user's edits were recent? Like, you have to have at least 25 mainspace/talk page/forum edits within the last month or something. It's still relatively easy to check, and ensures that no matter how many edits the user sprinted up to in order to get voting rights, they have to keep contributing instead of dropping off mainspace.--FierceDeku 00:07, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
That idea sounds pretty good, but what is the easy way to check? Does it say anywhere how many mainspace edits were made in the past month? If not, then that would be too hard to measure to be worth it. The™ 00:43, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
There's no tool to automatically do this so far as I'm aware (I could have sworn there was a list of special pages but I can't find it now). It'd be a matter of looking over a user's contributions subpage, counting the number of edits in appropriate sections, and when you reach the required number, see if that edit was within a month of the date. Not that hard if it's a small number of edits required within the month, though even that might not get checked thoroughly by people. How time consuming it is for us to sort through this and how strongly we encourage ToC goers to edit would be proportional to how many edits are required.--FierceDeku 02:03, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
It says to have fights up for one week, but it's of course been much slower lately what with there being low activity in the ToC suggestions and in general. I'm about done with my summer busyness and was thinking I could start helping to keep the ToC regularly up to date, but I want to ask if we should wait longer than a week between fights since it's been so slow lately. The ToC is very visible, being visited by a lot of newer users, so it'd be good if it updated on the schedule it said it had (whatever we change that to). Wouldn't want the wiki to look sloppy or inactive up front before people have a chance to realize how totally awesome we are. My first thought would be a 2 week standard, to keep it moving but still allow time for suggestions to happen. We keep getting votes that late anyway. Thoughts?--FierceDeku 07:25, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
As I've remarked before, the ToC isn't a great gateway to actual editing, as very few even half-decent editors have stuck around. I think you overestimate the potential and intellectual capacity of the average voter here. Nevertheless, time constraints should be upheld, if only for the sake of it. However, two weeks may be a bit too much if there is a "boring, one-sided" fight. One idea is to give it another week if the fight is close and use the one-week-more-or-less when it's not, but I suppose that may make the whole business a bit too complicated for its own good. --AuronKaizer! 11:08, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
What if in the suggestions we add a section where you can vote to keep the current battle another week? This would give an option to be able to keep a good battle going an extra week (or possible two depending on how we limit it) but at the same time would keep a not so interesting battle to a one week limit. --Birdman5589 (talk) 16:01, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
I'm concerned about doing a fight extension thing too procedurally, because I don't think it'd get enough attention to be able to function effectively according to predefined rules. What if we just said "1-2 weeks" on the official thing (maybe mention why), and then we can talk about it in the peanut gallery if we want to extend/not extend a fight. It's only regular users that we know who would change out a fight, so if we spread the word a little they'd all know not to change a fight that's close, and we could have them say in the gallery things like "this fight is lame sauce I'm changing it in 2 more days if no one objects" or "hey nobody change the fight it's too close". I doubt our regular users will disagree much about whether to extend a fight or not. In a Deku Nutshell, I'm saying AK/Birdy's 1 week with extensions for close fights idea, and just do the extensions informally via comments.--FierceDeku 03:54, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
I think this would be a good idea, with the "keep it open"/"close it" idea. But what would be the vote standard? And how would we go about it? Either way, it sounds like it'd be good. – Jäzzi 16:43, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
I think that it should be very informal and go by whatever the Peanut Gallery says, even if it's IPs or new user or whoever talking. (Another option would be what Birdman was saying about having a new section for this; I'm also okay with this as long as it's informal and all, but not voting, just saying "Hey, isn't it time to change the fight?" or something like that). The™ 00:38, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
Am I able to volunteer to woman the Temple of Courage to try to get it weekly again? Jazzi 20:37, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
If you're just saying you wanna start doing it every week, be my guest. -MinishLink 20:41, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
Because you used the awesome verb "woman", yes. The usual potential for correction and stuff remains, naturally. --AuronKaizer! 21:11, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
I have a question. Why do you need 50 mainspace edits before you can vote? I understand spam and all, but I don't know why it's there. AWWW YEA! (talk) 15:27, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
Because fun and games are a privilege, not a right. Jazzi 17:27, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
Would it have been too much of a hassle for you to check this page just a little bit more closely for the discussion that started that whole rule? Apparently so... --AuronKaizer! 17:33, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
The archive box is getting a bit long, I was thinking perhaps we could toss in a "collapsible collapsed" to make things, well, collapse. It's not a problem at all, but in time it could become too long. – Jazzi (talk) 15:43, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
I agree it's getting too long. GreenRupee 17:54, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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