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| − | :''Not to be confused with [[Ghini]] or [[Poe]]s, common ghost enemies in the Zelda series. For other uses, see [[Ghost (disambiguation)]]'' |
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| + | Given that these are called Chain Chomps in Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures and A Link to the Past, should this page be moved to Chain Chomp, with Bow-Wow as a subsection (as a SPECIFIC Chain Chomp) or just split into two articles? Bow-Wow is pretty iconic, but yeah, they're called Chain Chomps everywhere else (although in Japan the ones in ALttP are called Kerubin, actually), and Four Swords is a newer game and they're specifically called that in game as an item. Yeah, I know, I'm picky with naming. [[User:Fizzle|Fizzle]] |
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| − | The '''Ghost''' is a character in {{LA}}.<ref>{{Cite book|quote= Take the Ghost where it wants to go, then trade Mr. Write's Broom for Grandma Ulrira's Fish Hook.|book= The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening Nintendo Player's Guide|publisher= Nintendo Power|page= 57}}</ref> |
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| + | :According to [http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24777801/Bow-Wow.png this picture] they're named "BowWow" in ''Four Swords'' as well, so I don't know where you're getting that information from. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe their name is only mentioned in-game in <s>''A Link to the Past''</s> ''Link's Awakening'' and ''Four Swords'', and both times they're referred to as Bow-Wows. I believe that trumps the official guides, which I assume is your source. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 17:22, 1 November 2011 (EDT) |
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| − | The Ghost is spirit who starts haunting [[Link]] after the completion of the [[Angler's Tunnel]] which wants Link to take it to its house.<ref>{{Cite|...the house... ...take me... ...the house... ...at the bay...|Ghost|LA}}</ref> As he cannot enter any dungeons while the Ghost follows him, Link must help it in order to enter the [[Catfish's Maw]].<ref>{{Cite|...N-N-No!... ...N-not there!|Ghost|LA}}</ref> Once Link brings it to the [[House by the Bay]] north of [[Toronbo Shores]],<ref>{{Cite|...Here!... ...enter... ...my house...|Ghost|LA}}</ref> the Ghost examines it before saying it is essentially unchanged from what it was when it was alive.<ref>{{Cite|...Nostalgia... ...unchanged... ...boo hoo...|Ghost|LA}}</ref> |
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| + | ::Their name is mentioned in the Anniversary Edition as Chain Chomp. Play the Link's Awakening stage for a guaranteed one to check for yourself (at least in the European version? Perhaps the NoA one is different, wouldn't be the first time). Also, they are not named in-game in A Link to the Past at all, but are named in the guide and the little tips booklet that came with the game, called Chain Chomps. FSA guide calls the lone one in the game a Chain Chomp too, I think. Aside from that screenshot I was only aware of them being called Bow-Wow in LA. [[User:Fizzle|Fizzle]] 20:20, 1 November 2011 (EDT) |
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| − | The Ghost then asks Link to bring it to its grave,<ref>{{Cite|...Enough... ...cemetary... ...take me... ...my grave...|Ghost|LA}}</ref><ref>{{cite|...my grave... ...take me... ...my grave...|Ghost|LA}}</ref> which is located in the [[Koholint Prairie]] near the [[Graveyard#Link's Awakening|Cemetary]]. Once there, the Ghost thanks Link and tells him to look inside one of the [[jar]]s in his house to find a [[Secret Seashell]].<ref>{{Cite|...Thank you... ...a jar... ...in my home... ...look inside.. ...bye...bye...|Ghost|LA}}</ref> The seashell does not appear until after Link has fulfilled the Ghost's requests. |
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| + | :::Just an FYI, and I know it won't say much due to how infamous the site is for giving out incorrect information, but the Zelda.com encyclopedia has it listed as a Bow Wow for LA, ALTTP/FS, and FSA. [http://zelda.com/universe/pedia/b.jsp link] [[User:Dany36|Dany36]] 12:07, 2 November 2011 (EDT) |
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| − | In {{LADX}}, if Link approaches the Ghost's grave after returning it there, the [[Photographer]] will appear and take a picture. |
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| + | ::::Worth noting, the encylopedia isn't THAT bad there, but it probably hasn't been updated since Anniversary Edition came out. Anyone willing to check the US version for me? I have a friend who can check later anyway I expect. [[User:Fizzle|Fizzle]] 13:34, 2 November 2011 (EDT) |
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| + | ::::A check with a friend in America tells me its called Chain Chomp in the Anniversary Edition over there as well, strange that they specifically changed the name, but it seems that Chain Chomp is the up to date name for this as an enemy or item. The one in LA should always be called Bow-Wow though, of course. Thoughts? [[User:Fizzle|Fizzle]] 19:15, 3 November 2011 (EDT) |
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| − | In the {{Manga|Link's Awakening}}, the Ghost is named '''Nakura''', who is a former soldier. It saves Link's life by possessing him during his fight against [[Karuna]] and gives him a more powerful [[Sword]] after he takes it to its house. |
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| + | :::::I would think that moving or splitting this page would be out of the question at this point. The only time they're called Chain Chomps is in the FS anniversary edition and the ALTTP guide (I checked the FSA guide; they don't mention the BowWow at all). I think we should just give that a mention in a Trivia section and be done with it. |
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| + | :::::If no one has any objections I'd like to move this to "BowWow". The hyphen is never part of its name. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 08:56, 6 November 2011 (EST) |
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| − | *If Link sprinkles [[Magic Powder]] on the Ghost's grave, it tells him to stop or suffer the effects of a curse.<ref>{{Cite|Cough Cough... Don't sprinkle that on me... ...I'll have to curse you! Cough Cough...|Ghost|LA}}</ref> Despite this, he will not put a curse of any kind on Link. |
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| + | ::::::Page 62, specifically says Chain Chomp in the FSA guide (got a scan here). Chain Chomp was used in the tips booklet that came with ALttP as well. Admittedly, the FSA guide isn't perfect with names, but its like two or three official sources and the most recent game against one old game and one specific Chain Chomp. Plus all those Mario games. I'm fine with moving to BowWow, definitely, but I don't think moving to Chain Chomp should be out of the question. Its not something I'm going to go nuts over because I quite LIKE the name BowWow, but I always see BowWow as "that one Chain Chomp" rather than them all being BowWows as some kind of BowWow species. Like, BowWow is BowWow, the name of one specific friendly Chain Chomp, while the enemy ones are just plain Chain Chomps. [[User:Fizzle|Fizzle]] 15:10, 6 November 2011 (EST) |
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| − | *The [[Poe Sisters]] from {{OoS}} resemble the Ghost, and even share the same sound effect when appearing. |
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| + | :The text in the original Four Swords refers to them as BowWows, but the text in the anniversary edition explicitly says Chain Chomp. In general, in-game text takes precedence over guides and revised text in rereleases takes precedence over older releases, i.e. Ganon over Gannon. The page name should be Chain Chomp because it's the actual in-game text in the latest release.--[[User:Password|Password]] 02:15, 6 January 2012 (EST) |
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| + | ::Well then, I stand corrected. I'll do the honors of moving it if no one minds. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 08:34, 6 January 2012 (EST) |
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| + | ::If BowWow is one specific Chain Chomp, like Fizzle said, I'd say it definitely deserves its own page. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 09:01, 6 January 2012 (EST) |
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| + | :::Yeah, to me it seems BowWow is an individual Chain Chomp and deserves its own article. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::Technically it's just a translation issue. In Japan they're all just BowWows. In Link's Awakening, it got a friendly role and a bit more personality and character, but they're all just BowWows. However, since BowWow is definitely an individual (in one game) and the others are enemies (and items) in others, I'm not against a split, as it could have it's own article whether it had the same name or not. {{:User:Fizzle/sig}} 11:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | :::::Well, in Japan there are two names as well - Kelvin and WanWan (which would translate to BowWow). Kelvin would be the individual BowWow whereas WanWan would be the species (like in the Mario series). Apart from the Zelda encyclopedia entry, all English usages seem to refer to BowWow as an individual and Chain Chomp as the species. I'm not sure if the Japanese version of FS used Kelvin while the Japanese version of FSAE used WanWan, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::::Actually, the "Kelvin" name was only used in the SNES ALttP and in the Japanese GBA guide (which I own) they went back to WanWan. FSA as well is WanWan. Pretty sure all instances from Link's Awakening onwards were just WanWan. Kelvin was probably when they were still trying to pretend it was a different enemy because it was a different series... then Link's Awakening went crossover crazy and they ditched that idea. {{:User:Fizzle/sig}} 12:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::Taking the original Four Swords as extra support, I support giving BowWow its own page. According to the acquisition text "You got BowWow! He eats anything! Beware the mad dog", the lack of "''a'' BowWow" implies a specific character (and also implied by to a lesser extent the use of "He"). You could also easily say instead of changing a name between games/versions, they changed the item/character altogether. (see also my new topic just below) |
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| + | ::::--<span style="color:#FFD500">KokoroSenshi</span> 05:16, 23 December 2015 (UTC) |
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| + | :Since Four Swords Anniversary Edition is the most recent release of Four Swords, "Chain Chomp" would take precedence over BowWow as the item's name. {{:User:The Goron Moron/sig}} 06:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC) |
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| + | Hi, I have been trying to do much research to the extent of doubting its existence in Four Swords (original gba btw) (try searching with "Chain Chomp" and there's absolutely nothing ''concrete'' at all (not for the original FS, anyway)), but only after I read [[User:Password|Password]]'s section above do I realize that it is because it isn't actually called a Chain Chomp in Four swords! :/ So we should really change that... (I thank you very much Password) |
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| + | Plus, to add to the prior topic, according to the acquisition text "You got BowWow! He eats anything! Beware the mad dog", the lack of "''a'' BowWow" implies specific character (and also to a lesser extent the use of "He"). You could also easily say instead of changing a name, they changed the item/character altogether. |
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| + | --<span style="color:#FFD500">KokoroSenshi</span> 05:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC) |
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| + | :Well, to repeat what I said above, since FSAE is the most recent release of that game, Chain Chomp would take precedence. I don't mind splitting BowWow, the character, but only one page should keep the section for the item. It's pointless to have two pages share a section that would otherwise be identical. Since it's called Chain Chomp in FSAE, it's now called Chain Chomp. {{:User:The Goron Moron/sig}} 06:13, 23 December 2015 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Ok, that makes sense, thanks. After reading through the page and the Talk page thoroughly this time (I hope; I do apologize for that), I think that the name in FS should be in the main article, not the trivia section - Would it strictly (only) being called BowWow in FS justify inclusion of this name in the FS section? Was "Chain Chomp" ever used for FS? The trivia section could note that for FS BowWow is the same name as in LA; and since it is noticeably rare and not ever required, then as an easter egg, it being a reference to another game is possible? |
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| + | ::--<span style="color:#FFD500">KokoroSenshi</span> 12:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC) |
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| + | :::BowWow would be mentioned in passing as the item's older name, but Chain Chomp would take precedence. |
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| + | :::Take a look a [[Troupe Leader's Mask]] for example. It was originally called Circus Leader's Mask in the original, but changed in the 3D remake. In light of the remake's changes, we moved the page to Troupe Leader's Mask, because the new name takes precedence. The original mask's name is mentioned in passing. This would be the same here; the item in FS would be called "Chain Chomp" on the page, and its older name would be mentioned in passing. |
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| + | :::Honestly, while I did say that I wouldn't mind splitting BowWow the character, I would honestly prefer it if the page just stayed as-is. There's a lot of confusion between BowWow and Chain Chomp that I really don't think splitting it would be worth it. The item being called two different things only further complicates it. BowWow as a species and character only appeared in one game, and is otherwise identical to Chain Chomps in every other way, so in my eyes it really does not warrant a split. What this page just needs is an update and a clean up. {{:User:The Goron Moron/sig}} 18:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 18:10, 23 December 2015
Move or split to Chain Chomp?
Given that these are called Chain Chomps in Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures and A Link to the Past, should this page be moved to Chain Chomp, with Bow-Wow as a subsection (as a SPECIFIC Chain Chomp) or just split into two articles? Bow-Wow is pretty iconic, but yeah, they're called Chain Chomps everywhere else (although in Japan the ones in ALttP are called Kerubin, actually), and Four Swords is a newer game and they're specifically called that in game as an item. Yeah, I know, I'm picky with naming. Fizzle
- According to this picture they're named "BowWow" in Four Swords as well, so I don't know where you're getting that information from. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe their name is only mentioned in-game in
A Link to the PastLink's Awakening and Four Swords, and both times they're referred to as Bow-Wows. I believe that trumps the official guides, which I assume is your source. — Hylian King [*] 17:22, 1 November 2011 (EDT)
- Their name is mentioned in the Anniversary Edition as Chain Chomp. Play the Link's Awakening stage for a guaranteed one to check for yourself (at least in the European version? Perhaps the NoA one is different, wouldn't be the first time). Also, they are not named in-game in A Link to the Past at all, but are named in the guide and the little tips booklet that came with the game, called Chain Chomps. FSA guide calls the lone one in the game a Chain Chomp too, I think. Aside from that screenshot I was only aware of them being called Bow-Wow in LA. Fizzle 20:20, 1 November 2011 (EDT)
- Worth noting, the encylopedia isn't THAT bad there, but it probably hasn't been updated since Anniversary Edition came out. Anyone willing to check the US version for me? I have a friend who can check later anyway I expect. Fizzle 13:34, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
- A check with a friend in America tells me its called Chain Chomp in the Anniversary Edition over there as well, strange that they specifically changed the name, but it seems that Chain Chomp is the up to date name for this as an enemy or item. The one in LA should always be called Bow-Wow though, of course. Thoughts? Fizzle 19:15, 3 November 2011 (EDT)
- I would think that moving or splitting this page would be out of the question at this point. The only time they're called Chain Chomps is in the FS anniversary edition and the ALTTP guide (I checked the FSA guide; they don't mention the BowWow at all). I think we should just give that a mention in a Trivia section and be done with it.
- If no one has any objections I'd like to move this to "BowWow". The hyphen is never part of its name. — Hylian King [*] 08:56, 6 November 2011 (EST)
- Page 62, specifically says Chain Chomp in the FSA guide (got a scan here). Chain Chomp was used in the tips booklet that came with ALttP as well. Admittedly, the FSA guide isn't perfect with names, but its like two or three official sources and the most recent game against one old game and one specific Chain Chomp. Plus all those Mario games. I'm fine with moving to BowWow, definitely, but I don't think moving to Chain Chomp should be out of the question. Its not something I'm going to go nuts over because I quite LIKE the name BowWow, but I always see BowWow as "that one Chain Chomp" rather than them all being BowWows as some kind of BowWow species. Like, BowWow is BowWow, the name of one specific friendly Chain Chomp, while the enemy ones are just plain Chain Chomps. Fizzle 15:10, 6 November 2011 (EST)
- The text in the original Four Swords refers to them as BowWows, but the text in the anniversary edition explicitly says Chain Chomp. In general, in-game text takes precedence over guides and revised text in rereleases takes precedence over older releases, i.e. Ganon over Gannon. The page name should be Chain Chomp because it's the actual in-game text in the latest release.--Password 02:15, 6 January 2012 (EST)
- Well then, I stand corrected. I'll do the honors of moving it if no one minds. — Hylian King [*] 08:34, 6 January 2012 (EST)
- If BowWow is one specific Chain Chomp, like Fizzle said, I'd say it definitely deserves its own page. — Hylian King [*] 09:01, 6 January 2012 (EST)
- Technically it's just a translation issue. In Japan they're all just BowWows. In Link's Awakening, it got a friendly role and a bit more personality and character, but they're all just BowWows. However, since BowWow is definitely an individual (in one game) and the others are enemies (and items) in others, I'm not against a split, as it could have it's own article whether it had the same name or not. User:Fizzle/sig 11:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well, in Japan there are two names as well - Kelvin and WanWan (which would translate to BowWow). Kelvin would be the individual BowWow whereas WanWan would be the species (like in the Mario series). Apart from the Zelda encyclopedia entry, all English usages seem to refer to BowWow as an individual and Chain Chomp as the species. I'm not sure if the Japanese version of FS used Kelvin while the Japanese version of FSAE used WanWan, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case. --SnorlaxMonster 12:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, the "Kelvin" name was only used in the SNES ALttP and in the Japanese GBA guide (which I own) they went back to WanWan. FSA as well is WanWan. Pretty sure all instances from Link's Awakening onwards were just WanWan. Kelvin was probably when they were still trying to pretend it was a different enemy because it was a different series... then Link's Awakening went crossover crazy and they ditched that idea. User:Fizzle/sig 12:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well, in Japan there are two names as well - Kelvin and WanWan (which would translate to BowWow). Kelvin would be the individual BowWow whereas WanWan would be the species (like in the Mario series). Apart from the Zelda encyclopedia entry, all English usages seem to refer to BowWow as an individual and Chain Chomp as the species. I'm not sure if the Japanese version of FS used Kelvin while the Japanese version of FSAE used WanWan, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case. --SnorlaxMonster 12:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Taking the original Four Swords as extra support, I support giving BowWow its own page. According to the acquisition text "You got BowWow! He eats anything! Beware the mad dog", the lack of "a BowWow" implies a specific character (and also implied by to a lesser extent the use of "He"). You could also easily say instead of changing a name between games/versions, they changed the item/character altogether. (see also my new topic just below)
- --KokoroSenshi 05:16, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Technically it's just a translation issue. In Japan they're all just BowWows. In Link's Awakening, it got a friendly role and a bit more personality and character, but they're all just BowWows. However, since BowWow is definitely an individual (in one game) and the others are enemies (and items) in others, I'm not against a split, as it could have it's own article whether it had the same name or not. User:Fizzle/sig 11:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Since Four Swords Anniversary Edition is the most recent release of Four Swords, "Chain Chomp" would take precedence over BowWow as the item's name. - Midoro (T C) 06:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Chain chomp, no wait, BowWow, in Four Swords
Hi, I have been trying to do much research to the extent of doubting its existence in Four Swords (original gba btw) (try searching with "Chain Chomp" and there's absolutely nothing concrete at all (not for the original FS, anyway)), but only after I read Password's section above do I realize that it is because it isn't actually called a Chain Chomp in Four swords! :/ So we should really change that... (I thank you very much Password)
Plus, to add to the prior topic, according to the acquisition text "You got BowWow! He eats anything! Beware the mad dog", the lack of "a BowWow" implies specific character (and also to a lesser extent the use of "He"). You could also easily say instead of changing a name, they changed the item/character altogether.
--KokoroSenshi 05:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Well, to repeat what I said above, since FSAE is the most recent release of that game, Chain Chomp would take precedence. I don't mind splitting BowWow, the character, but only one page should keep the section for the item. It's pointless to have two pages share a section that would otherwise be identical. Since it's called Chain Chomp in FSAE, it's now called Chain Chomp. - Midoro (T C) 06:13, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Ok, that makes sense, thanks. After reading through the page and the Talk page thoroughly this time (I hope; I do apologize for that), I think that the name in FS should be in the main article, not the trivia section - Would it strictly (only) being called BowWow in FS justify inclusion of this name in the FS section? Was "Chain Chomp" ever used for FS? The trivia section could note that for FS BowWow is the same name as in LA; and since it is noticeably rare and not ever required, then as an easter egg, it being a reference to another game is possible?
- --KokoroSenshi 12:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- BowWow would be mentioned in passing as the item's older name, but Chain Chomp would take precedence.
- Take a look a Troupe Leader's Mask for example. It was originally called Circus Leader's Mask in the original, but changed in the 3D remake. In light of the remake's changes, we moved the page to Troupe Leader's Mask, because the new name takes precedence. The original mask's name is mentioned in passing. This would be the same here; the item in FS would be called "Chain Chomp" on the page, and its older name would be mentioned in passing.
- Honestly, while I did say that I wouldn't mind splitting BowWow the character, I would honestly prefer it if the page just stayed as-is. There's a lot of confusion between BowWow and Chain Chomp that I really don't think splitting it would be worth it. The item being called two different things only further complicates it. BowWow as a species and character only appeared in one game, and is otherwise identical to Chain Chomps in every other way, so in my eyes it really does not warrant a split. What this page just needs is an update and a clean up. - Midoro (T C) 18:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)