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This page needs some work. Anyone have the mangas who's willing to help? {{:User:Alter/sig}} 19:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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[[File:ALTTP File Select.png|frame|right|The file selection screen from ''A Link to the Past'']]
 
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One of the most unique features from {{TLoZ}} was the built in battery capable of saving a game in progress. A save function has since been in every [[The Legend of Zelda (Series)|''The Legend of Zelda'']] game. In most cases, the save function can be accessed at anytime during gameplay from the start menu. In addition to retaining the game data, the save function allowed for the player to name the protagonist of the story.
 
   
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:Sure, I'll just find 'em and read over them again, then presuming nobody fixes it while I'm busy, I'll try and improve this page... --[[User:Yuvorias|Felicia's Champion]] 23:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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==Appearances==
 
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===''The Legend of Zelda''===
 
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The option to save from ''The Legend of Zelda'' appears after losing all Life energy. This same menu can also be accessed by pressing the A, B, Select, and Start buttons.
 
   
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::Sounds good. I'd do it myself, but I lost the books. Meh. Anyway, it's the second bonus story in OoT part 2. {{:User:Alter/sig}} 17:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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===''Link's Awakening''===
 
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{{LA}} included a save system similar to that of the first ''Legend of Zelda'' title. There were three save files, in which a player could enter their choice of name. The player could access the save menu by pressing A, B, Start, and Select buttons once again, or by death in-game.
 
   
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===''Majora's Mask''===
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== Name ==
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Is it really appropriate to use his non-canonical name? Just thinking... The name "Dr. Mizumi" doesn't appear in the games anywhere and we've named a whole article after it. Hmm. {{:User:Embyr 75/sig}} 01:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
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[[File:MM Owl Save.png|thumb|right|Link saving by using an Owl Statue in ''Majora's Mask'']]
 
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:Yeah, I never really liked that either. I guess we could move it to Marine Scientist or something. XD [[User:Dany36|Dany36]] 01:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
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{{MM}} deviated from the standard Saving system immensely. The ability to save from anywhere and anytime during gameplay had been removed. The saving system used requires the player to [[Song of Time|return to the First Day]] or make use of Save points at [[Owl Statue]]s in order to save progress. The differing methods had distinct advantages and disadvantages. Saving using the Song of Time reset the clock, and most of [[Link]]'s items would be lost in the time travel process. Saving using an Owl Statue was temporary, and the save would be erased once the game was re-loaded. The Owl saves do not exist in the original Japanese versions, but were added to the GameCube port.
 
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::Well in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'' he's called the "Lake Scientist" ("Lakeside Laboratory - Daily trying to get to the bottom of the mysteries of Lake Hylia! --Lake Scientist" | Sign) and in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|Majora's Mask]]'' he's called "The Professor" by the Zoras ("How was it? Did the professor at the Marine Research Lab figure out the mystery of the eggs?" | Evan). So. One of those would work (probably the OOT one, since it's more specific than the other). {{:User:Embyr 75/sig}} 01:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
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:::Does anyone else have an opinion? Or is two enough?? {{:User:Embyr 75/sig}} 14:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
   
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==Professor==
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===''Four Swords Adventures''===
 
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Why was it renamed "Professor"? He himself signs "Lake Scientist" (see above). The Zoras calls him professor cause it's a title for scientits in general. Also, it's confusing because there's a lot of characters who can have this title, but less can be called Lake Scientists. [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 13:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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{{FSA}} saving system departed from the typical manner of the ''Zelda'' series. Saving was automatically done upon the completion of a level throughout the game.
 
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:Because Lake Scientist is used in OoT while Professor is used in MM, which is his latest appearance. {{:User:Chuck/sig}} 21:42, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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::They refer to him as "the professor at the Marine Research Lab" or "the professor at the lab" in ''Majora's Mask''. While he himself signes "Lake Scientist" in ''Ocarina of Time''. I think his signature has more value than people refering to him as "that guy over there". [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 14:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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::Also, his Japanese and manga name means "Lake Water Expert" (''Mizumi Hakaze''). "Lake Scientist" seems clother than just "professor". [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 14:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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:::If Jeangabin's evidence is correct and the Zoras just refer to him vaguely as a professor, I don't think that counts as a title that overrules the definite name of Lake Scientist. It's like saying Link should be moved to "Boy" because Ganondorf calls him that. [[User:Peanutjon|Peanutjon]] ([[User talk:Peanutjon|talk]]) 15:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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::::In OoT he's called Lake Scientist as he works in ''Lake'' Hylia, which obviously doesn't apply to MM. As he has no official name, we must go with the closest name/title in his latest appearance, in this case MM. {{:User:Chuck/sig}} 18:29, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
   
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:There are certain absolutes w.r.t. how we handle page names. For example, pages are to adopt the name of the latest version of it, if they're the same subject. Dinolfos is a notable example, as it's gone through a lot of different names throughout the series (often typos), so for the sake of ease, it's defaulted to the latest name. (Kargaroc and Kargarok are also noteworthy examples.)
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===''Skyward Sword''===
 
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:Considering Chuck's point that "Lake Scientist" is a gross misnomer for the character in ''Majora's Mask'' who is now the primary subject of the article per the reasons I mentioned, the next best thing would be to move to "Professor". {{:User:Tony/sig}} 20:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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Saving in {{SS}} works similarly to ''Majora's Mask'', using [[Bird Statue]]s scattered throughout the map; however, these saves are permanent, rather than the temporary save states of the owl statues. Because this is the one and only way to save in ''Skyward Sword'', the bird statues are much more numerous than ''Majora's Mask's''' owl statues, with some even found in dungeons.
 
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::The problem is that professor was never intended to be his name. They must have said ''Hakase'' in Japanese, which can be traslated to both "professor" or "scientist" I think. If I remeber correctly, he's called "Dr. Mizumi" (Lake Water Expert) in both OoT and MM manga versions. If it isn't a problem to call him "Lake Water Expert" in an official media, why should it be a problem to call him "Lake Scientist" (official eng translation and his in-game signature) on a wiki. [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 23:50, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
   
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:::The manga isn't canon to the games. Page articles are named after in-game names. Since he is referred to as "Professor" in MM the game, the page is titled as such. {{:User:The Goron Moron/sig}} 00:59, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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===''A Link Between Worlds''===
 
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:Canon, not canon, or ambigously canon... I think an official media has still more value than a fan opinion. In fact, in Japanese, he is called ''Mizumi Hakase'' ("Dr. Mizumi"/"Lake Water Expert"/"Lake Water Scientist"/"Lake Water Professor") in both manga and video games. It's english language versions which translate his name differently each time. [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 06:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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In {{ALBW}}, Link can save by using [[Weathercock|Weather Vanes]]. Once a sleeping Weather Vane is found, Link must talk to it in order to wake it up. Weather Vanes can be found in both [[Hyrule]] and [[Lorule]]. They are also seen flapping their wings and moving around in a panicked manor after Link has complected a large task, or has spent a considerable amount of time doing things since his last save, trying to indicate that now may be the time to save.
 
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:His appearance in the MM manga: http://www.zelda-infinite.com/files/manga/majora/view.php?chap=6&page=10 (refered to as the "Lake Professor"). [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 06:48, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
   
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::Zelda Wiki policy is that non-canon media does not affect the American English versions, [[Zelda Wiki:Canon Policy|which is what Zelda Wiki covers]]. Similarly, Japanese media (such as names, etc.) don't really influence the American English canon, for obvious reasons.
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==Non-canon Appearances==
 
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::Bottom line: he is called the "professor" in American English ''Majora's Mask'', not "Lake Scientist". AmEn ''MM'' is the latest canon release featuring him, so by policy, we follow that. Non-canon manga adaptations and Japanese language versions are 100% irrelevant to this. {{:User:Tony/sig}} 07:21, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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===''Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland''===
 
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:The page was moved without any talk. It was named "Lake Scientits" for six years without causing any problem or discussion. Now the page refers to him by a title that was never meant to be a name. [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 14:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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In {{FPTRR}}, the game can be saved by accessing a [[Tingle Tuner]]-like device found within [[Tingle]]'s house. There are three save files which can be selected at the start of the game, with Tingle holding up the respective number of fingers for the file icon.
 
   
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::"Lake Scientist" is also a title.
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===''Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love''===
 
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::This isn't fan opinion either. Fan opinion would be me calling him "Dave". He is referred to as "Professor", so that's what we call them. If an '''in-game''' name isn't given, then the title of the person is used. Much like how we use Match Master and Doppel Master for the two characters in TFH. {{:User:The Goron Moron/sig}} 16:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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In {{RTBToL}}, Tingle has the ability to save his game in one of three files by accessing a save point, and tapping on a three-dimensional spinning pig. Unlike the previous [[Tingle (Series)|Tingle Series]] installment, the player can choose to save the game to any of the three files while playing. Once the game is completed, the file image icons will replace the three images of Tingle with the likes of [[Kakashi]], [[Buriki]], and [[Lion]], respectively.
 
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:::Except he's not referred to as "Professor". He's called a professor. That's not a name, that's a descriptor. He's not given any name for Majora's Mask - it would be like renaming Malon to "Woman" if she gets called that in Zelda U. Lake Scientist is used in his signature and as a title, rather than a descriptor, so it, while still not a name, is much closer than professor. [[User:Peanutjon|Peanutjon]] ([[User talk:Peanutjon|talk]]) 18:24, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
   
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::::If I recall, Link was never referred to by name in TFH, so should we rename the Link page to "Tri Force Hero?" Even if I'm wrong, you see what I mean. Anyways, this is a very slippery (ha ha) topic. All I can say is that Professor is what someone calls him as a profession, whereas Lake Scientist is what he calls himself. And since they're completely different people, they could even be split up. I can't recall if Malon is a separate page from Cremia. But that's out of line. [[User:JasonBall|JasonBall]] ([[User talk:JasonBall|talk]]) 20:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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File:Misery Mire Weathervane.jpg|Link saving by using a Weather Vane in ''A Link Between Worlds''
 
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:JasonBall, the Link in ''TFH'' is the Link from ''A Link Between Worlds'', who is known as Link. That's not even counting canon side material showing that his name is by all rights "Link". That's another argument that '''''does not work'''''.
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:Professor '''is''' his title in ''Majora's Mask'', that really cannot be argued against regardless of casing. They're different people in different worlds, yes, but consider the relationship between Anju and the Cucco Lady. Malon and Cremia's relationship isn't equatable because Malon is, effectively, both Romani and Cremia. {{:User:Tony/sig}} 21:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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[[Category:Interface]]
 
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::"Lake Water Expert" (''Mizumi Hakaze'') is a name confirmed in several official material as well. [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 21:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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:::I've already told you [[Zelda Wiki:Canon Policy|why that is irrelevant]]. {{:User:Tony/sig}} 21:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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::Yes. So OoT is relevant. [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 21:36, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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::I think I should blame the translators for choosing different wording for the same thing in different games. Though the Japanese versions is consistent, some editors here still want to spread translation errors. [[User:Jeangabin|Jeangabin]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin|talk]]) 22:06, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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:::It's not about what some editors want, this is a matter of policy. Your inability to grasp that is irksome, but it's now reaching a point of complete non-productivity. {{:User:Tony/sig}} 04:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

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This page needs some work. Anyone have the mangas who's willing to help? —Alter  {T C B H } 19:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll just find 'em and read over them again, then presuming nobody fixes it while I'm busy, I'll try and improve this page... --Felicia's Champion 23:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'd do it myself, but I lost the books. Meh. Anyway, it's the second bonus story in OoT part 2. —Alter  {T C B H } 17:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Name

Is it really appropriate to use his non-canonical name? Just thinking... The name "Dr. Mizumi" doesn't appear in the games anywhere and we've named a whole article after it. Hmm. —Embyr 75  --Talk-- 01:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I never really liked that either. I guess we could move it to Marine Scientist or something. XD Dany36 01:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Well in Ocarina of Time he's called the "Lake Scientist" ("Lakeside Laboratory - Daily trying to get to the bottom of the mysteries of Lake Hylia! --Lake Scientist" | Sign) and in Majora's Mask he's called "The Professor" by the Zoras ("How was it? Did the professor at the Marine Research Lab figure out the mystery of the eggs?" | Evan). So. One of those would work (probably the OOT one, since it's more specific than the other). —Embyr 75  --Talk-- 01:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else have an opinion? Or is two enough?? —Embyr 75  --Talk-- 14:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Professor

Why was it renamed "Professor"? He himself signs "Lake Scientist" (see above). The Zoras calls him professor cause it's a title for scientits in general. Also, it's confusing because there's a lot of characters who can have this title, but less can be called Lake Scientists. Jeangabin (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Because Lake Scientist is used in OoT while Professor is used in MM, which is his latest appearance. - Chuck * (Talk) 21:42, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
They refer to him as "the professor at the Marine Research Lab" or "the professor at the lab" in Majora's Mask. While he himself signes "Lake Scientist" in Ocarina of Time. I think his signature has more value than people refering to him as "that guy over there". Jeangabin (talk) 14:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, his Japanese and manga name means "Lake Water Expert" (Mizumi Hakaze). "Lake Scientist" seems clother than just "professor". Jeangabin (talk) 14:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
If Jeangabin's evidence is correct and the Zoras just refer to him vaguely as a professor, I don't think that counts as a title that overrules the definite name of Lake Scientist. It's like saying Link should be moved to "Boy" because Ganondorf calls him that. Peanutjon (talk) 15:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
In OoT he's called Lake Scientist as he works in Lake Hylia, which obviously doesn't apply to MM. As he has no official name, we must go with the closest name/title in his latest appearance, in this case MM. - Chuck * (Talk) 18:29, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
There are certain absolutes w.r.t. how we handle page names. For example, pages are to adopt the name of the latest version of it, if they're the same subject. Dinolfos is a notable example, as it's gone through a lot of different names throughout the series (often typos), so for the sake of ease, it's defaulted to the latest name. (Kargaroc and Kargarok are also noteworthy examples.)
Considering Chuck's point that "Lake Scientist" is a gross misnomer for the character in Majora's Mask who is now the primary subject of the article per the reasons I mentioned, the next best thing would be to move to "Professor". - TonyT S C 20:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that professor was never intended to be his name. They must have said Hakase in Japanese, which can be traslated to both "professor" or "scientist" I think. If I remeber correctly, he's called "Dr. Mizumi" (Lake Water Expert) in both OoT and MM manga versions. If it isn't a problem to call him "Lake Water Expert" in an official media, why should it be a problem to call him "Lake Scientist" (official eng translation and his in-game signature) on a wiki. Jeangabin (talk) 23:50, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
The manga isn't canon to the games. Page articles are named after in-game names. Since he is referred to as "Professor" in MM the game, the page is titled as such. - Midoro (T C) 00:59, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Canon, not canon, or ambigously canon... I think an official media has still more value than a fan opinion. In fact, in Japanese, he is called Mizumi Hakase ("Dr. Mizumi"/"Lake Water Expert"/"Lake Water Scientist"/"Lake Water Professor") in both manga and video games. It's english language versions which translate his name differently each time. Jeangabin (talk) 06:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
His appearance in the MM manga: http://www.zelda-infinite.com/files/manga/majora/view.php?chap=6&page=10 (refered to as the "Lake Professor"). Jeangabin (talk) 06:48, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Zelda Wiki policy is that non-canon media does not affect the American English versions, which is what Zelda Wiki covers. Similarly, Japanese media (such as names, etc.) don't really influence the American English canon, for obvious reasons.
Bottom line: he is called the "professor" in American English Majora's Mask, not "Lake Scientist". AmEn MM is the latest canon release featuring him, so by policy, we follow that. Non-canon manga adaptations and Japanese language versions are 100% irrelevant to this. - TonyT S C 07:21, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
The page was moved without any talk. It was named "Lake Scientits" for six years without causing any problem or discussion. Now the page refers to him by a title that was never meant to be a name. Jeangabin (talk) 14:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
"Lake Scientist" is also a title.
This isn't fan opinion either. Fan opinion would be me calling him "Dave". He is referred to as "Professor", so that's what we call them. If an in-game name isn't given, then the title of the person is used. Much like how we use Match Master and Doppel Master for the two characters in TFH. - Midoro (T C) 16:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Except he's not referred to as "Professor". He's called a professor. That's not a name, that's a descriptor. He's not given any name for Majora's Mask - it would be like renaming Malon to "Woman" if she gets called that in Zelda U. Lake Scientist is used in his signature and as a title, rather than a descriptor, so it, while still not a name, is much closer than professor. Peanutjon (talk) 18:24, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
If I recall, Link was never referred to by name in TFH, so should we rename the Link page to "Tri Force Hero?" Even if I'm wrong, you see what I mean. Anyways, this is a very slippery (ha ha) topic. All I can say is that Professor is what someone calls him as a profession, whereas Lake Scientist is what he calls himself. And since they're completely different people, they could even be split up. I can't recall if Malon is a separate page from Cremia. But that's out of line. JasonBall (talk) 20:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
JasonBall, the Link in TFH is the Link from A Link Between Worlds, who is known as Link. That's not even counting canon side material showing that his name is by all rights "Link". That's another argument that does not work.
Professor is his title in Majora's Mask, that really cannot be argued against regardless of casing. They're different people in different worlds, yes, but consider the relationship between Anju and the Cucco Lady. Malon and Cremia's relationship isn't equatable because Malon is, effectively, both Romani and Cremia. - TonyT S C 21:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
"Lake Water Expert" (Mizumi Hakaze) is a name confirmed in several official material as well. Jeangabin (talk) 21:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
I've already told you why that is irrelevant. - TonyT S C 21:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes. So OoT is relevant. Jeangabin (talk) 21:36, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
I think I should blame the translators for choosing different wording for the same thing in different games. Though the Japanese versions is consistent, some editors here still want to spread translation errors. Jeangabin (talk) 22:06, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
It's not about what some editors want, this is a matter of policy. Your inability to grasp that is irksome, but it's now reaching a point of complete non-productivity. - TonyT S C 04:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)