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|name = Ball & Chain Trooper
 
|image = [[Image:Ballnchain.gif]]
 
|game = ''[[A Link to the Past]]''<br>''[[Link's Awakening]]''<br>''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons|Oracle of Seasons]]''<br>''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages|Oracle of Ages]]''<br>''[[The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords|Four Swords]]''<br>''[[Four Swords Adventures]]''<br>''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap|The Minish Cap]]''
 
|habitat = Castle/Dungeon
 
|weapon = Sword
 
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==Merging pages==
The '''Ball & Chain Trooper''' is (as its name suggests) a fully armored knight wielding a massive spiked ball on a chain. They appear as some of the hardest foes in several Zelda games.
 
   
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First of all, this is a really great idea. I've been in this community barely a month and I already felt there was a need for a talk page about problems of the whole wiki.
   
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Ok, so now, the problem: there are many different pages that should be really the same page. I'm in the process of merging them ([[Bomb]]s so far, and halfway through [[Potion]]s), but I haven't had much time since I came back to school, and plus, my keyboard doesn't always cooperate, making it a lot more difficult. So while I probably will end up doing some of those, I put them here so people an find out and fix them too, since problems like these are hard to find (I've found most through moments of boredom, while I click on [[Special:Random|'Random Page']] endlessly, lol.)
   
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So, here are some of the multiple pages to be merged I've found:
==A Link to the Past==
 
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* <s>'''[[Picto Box]]''' - [[Pictograph box]], [[Pictobox]], [[Deluxe Picto Box]], and [[Pictograph]].</s>
[[Image:BallChainArt ALttP.jpg|thumb|left]][[Image:Goldmace.gif|left|frame|Mace Knight]][[Image:SoldierStrongGreyBallandChainFront_ALttP.gif|left|52px]]The '''Ball & Chain Trooper''', also known as the '''Mace Knight''' is a possessed [[Hyrule]] knight from ''[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past]]'' that wields a heavy flail, and first appears as the guardian of [[Princess Zelda]]'s cell. At this early stage of the game it is the most difficult enemy Link has yet faced; the weapon it is named for has a long reach and does serious damage. It also recovers fairly quickly from being stunned by the boomerang. Mace Knights are the highest class of Hyrule knights and therefore are the most powerful. They require many swipes with the sword to defeat them. [[Bomb]]s are also useful. When in doubt, the player should use the [[Boomerang]] to stop them in their tracks. Later in the game, when ascending the Castle Tower, Link must face several more of these foes. Some wear dark grey armour while others wear gold.
 
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* <s>'''[[Outset Island]]''' - [[Aryll's Lookout]] and arguably [[Fairy Forest]] (there's not much to talk about it on its own, although it technically is a separate area in the game).</s>
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* <s>'''[[Dragon Roost Island]]''' - [[Dragon Roost Pond]], and arguably the [[Wind Shrine]] (not much to talk about either).</s>
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* '''[[Triangle Isles]]''' - Technically different places, but similar in function, and they all have almost nothing to talk about: [[Eastern Triangle Island]], [[Southern Triangle Island]], and [[Northern Triangle Island]].
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* <s>'''[[Ordon Village]]''' and [[Ordon Ranch]]</s>
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* <s>'''[[Korok]]''', [[Korok Ceremony]] and all other non-important Koroks (everyone but [[Makar]] and arguably [[Hollo]]): [[Irch]], [[Olivio]], [[Oakin]], etc.</s>
   
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Phew, that was a lot, though there are probably more. Anyway, IMO you can't make a good page without much to talk about, so merging these multiple empty pages will end up in fewer good pages. Quality vs. quantity, basically. -[[User:Memo326|Memo326]] 20:30, 20 January 2008 (EST)
==Link's Awakening==
 
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:I don't know if Ordon Village and Ordon Ranch should be merged. From what I can remember, the Ranch is never actually said to actually be a part of Ordon Village. --[[User:Hisak|Hisak]] 22:24, 20 January 2008 (EST)
[[Image:Mace_Knight_LA.gif|frame|left]]A '''Ball & Chain Trooper''' is encountered within [[Kanalet Castle]], guarding one of the [[Five Golden Leaves]] you need to collect for King [[Richard]]. Other than this, Ball and Chain Troopers are rarely found in this game.
 
   
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::I think for the islands, like Outset and Dragon Roost, there should be a section for landmarks. And then they should just simply state them. The Triangle Isles should be merged into one page as well.--[[User:Green Tunic|Green]] 12:34, 21 January 2008 (EST)
   
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:::I don't think the Triangle Isles should be merged due to the fact that they are three seperate islandsand aren't even anywher close to each other. They all take different pearls, and I believe there's a Korok and a wilted Deku Sprout on one of them. I don't think Fairy Forest or Aryll's Lookout should be merged because they're different places that actually have a purpose in the game and are part of the storyline. Green's idea is pretty good though. Ordon Ranch and Ordon Village definitely should not merged. I think Pictobox and Pictograph box should should be merged.--[[User:Icytriforc|Icytriforc]] 21:03, 22 January 2008 (EST)
   
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::::I agree, Green's suggestion is a good one. With that in mind, I'd agree with the Outset and Dragon Roost merges. Also definitely yes to Picto___ (I was gonna do that myself, but not sure under what title?) Less sure about the rest, but if done properly it could work. Maybe a discussion is needed at [[Talk:Picto Box]] about format/structure? --[[User:Adamcox82|Adam]] <sup>([[User talk:Adamcox82|talk]])</sup> 15:56, 23 January 2008 (EST)
   
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::::Ok, I've merged the picto pages under [[Pictography]]; not entirely happy with it yet, it's sort of a work-in-progress. Now that most of the above has been completed, maybe it's time to turn our attention to the other [[:category:Articles to be merged|articles to be merged]]? —[[User:Adamcox82|Adam]] <sup>([[User talk:Adamcox82|talk]])</sup> 18:13, 23 February 2008 (EST)
==Four Swords Adventures==
 
[[Image:Ironballsoldier_FS.gif|left|frame]]Several of these enemies appear in ''[[Four Swords Adventures]]'', once more as very challenging enemies.
 
   
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== Huge Galleries ==
   
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Articles such as [[Midna]] have giant galleries. I'm always wary of these types of things getting big because there are (although not many) users who still have slower connections, plus the galleries take up a lot of space. I think something for pages with galleries like these should be given the treatment that [[Link]] got, and have their galleries moved to a separate page. --[[User:GoldenChaos|Jase]] 21:35, 23 January 2008 (EST)
   
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I did it for Midna.--[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 23:46, 23 January 2008 (EST)
   
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== Soul Calibur II and the CD-i games ==
==Minish Cap==
 
These soldiers swing a damaging ball and chain, and are one of the hardest enemies
 
in the game, but can be destroyed by:
 
#Dodging their ball and chains, then striking with your sword; or
 
#Using [[Roc's Cape]] to jump over their ball and chain and perform a down thrust.
 
   
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I know that they aren't "technically" Zelda games, but I think that we should be giving [[Soul Calibur II]] and the CD-i games the same amount attention we've (I've) been giving the Smash Bros. games. If there's anyone with extensive knowledge of any of these games, could you create/improve pages for the characters and locations of these games? --[[User:Hisak|Hisak]] 00:23, 10 February 2008 (EST)
[[Image:Ball_and_Chain_Soldier_Figurine.gif|left]]Quote from ''[[The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap]]'' '''Ball & Chain Soldier''' figurine:
 
"Appears in the [[Palace of Winds]] and [[Dark Hyrule Castle]]. They're not fast, but that iron ball is a bruiser! Try to hit them after they swing the ball."
 
   
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:I agree. I don't really focus on the non-canon Zelda info myself, plus I highly doubt anyone here actually has any of the CD-i games... The main reason I don't mess with the non-Zelda pages is because I don't necessarily agree with the Wiki's policies on non-Zelda content ''(full pages on [[Mario]], [[Lucario]], etc.? seriously?)'', so I probably wouldn't be good for that. Anyone else could, though. :P --[[User:Ando|Ando]] 16:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)
==Twilight Princess==
 
An enemy similar to the '''Ball & Chain Trooper''' also appears as the mini-boss of the [[Snowpeak Ruins]] in ''[[Twilight Princess]]''. Named [[Darkhammer]], he is a Lizalfos in heavy armor, and to kill him you must have to [[Clawshot]] over him when he throws his weapon at you so you can hit his tail. Or you could sidestep to avoid his attack and use a [[Back Slice]] to get behind him. Vanquishing him will result in Link obtaining the [[Ball and Chain]].
 
   
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::Did you know that, other than a site in french, were one of the only sources of information on the internet for the CD-i games (outside of wikipedia)? Yes, they're horrendously badly made, and the information in them isn't canon, and they're not part of the series... but surely denying their existence is censorship? A lot of the stuff we have didn't even exist a year ago, but I did some research (during which I laughed a lot. And died inside a little...) and created some basic info. Others have added information on the key characters, but it certainly needs to be improved. I may create a small template to link all the pages. (P.S. I know zero about Soul Calibur, so I can't comment). --[[User:Adamcox82|Adam]] <sup>([[User talk:Adamcox82|talk]])</sup> 02:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)
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[[Category:Enemies in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past]]
 
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:Maybe I should re-phrase my statement. I really only don't focus on non-canon content because I don't own any of the games. If I owned the games I'd be editing up a storm, believe me, but those things are expensive and I just don't have the funds.
[[Category:Enemies in The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening]]
 
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[[Category:Enemies in The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap]]
 
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:May... maybe if anyone is willing to donate to the "Ando Wants the CD-i Games" fund? :D I'd buy 'em in a heartbeat. I've been wanting to play them anyway. :P--[[User:Ando|Ando]] 12:49, 11 February 2008 (EST)
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::Understood. Word of warning though; heed the advice of the french guy I mentioned, given here in the [http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=fr%7Cen&u=http://www.quebecgamers.com/impressions/cdi/index.html conclusion]. The games and consoles are horrendously expensive, and looking at the videos on youtube I don't think anyone could honestly enjoy playing these games? --[[User:Adamcox82|Adam]] <sup>([[User talk:Adamcox82|talk]])</sup> 14:00, 11 February 2008 (EST)
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Well actually, someone on amazon gave the Wand of Gamelon 4 stars<ref>http://www.amazon.com/Zelda-Wand-Gamelon-Vintage-Cd-i/dp/B000GHIR3O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1202859460&sr=1-1</ref>. But I agree, Soul Calibur and the CDi games should be given attention. I also think that The Legend of Zelda games template should have a new section called "Philips CD-i games", then under it have the Wand of Gamelon, Zelda's adventure and the Faces of Evil. But I can't be of much help on giving the articles attention, I don't own the games you see. :-(--[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 18:48, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Revision as of 23:13, 23 February 2008

Template:The Heart Container

Merging pages

First of all, this is a really great idea. I've been in this community barely a month and I already felt there was a need for a talk page about problems of the whole wiki.

Ok, so now, the problem: there are many different pages that should be really the same page. I'm in the process of merging them (Bombs so far, and halfway through Potions), but I haven't had much time since I came back to school, and plus, my keyboard doesn't always cooperate, making it a lot more difficult. So while I probably will end up doing some of those, I put them here so people an find out and fix them too, since problems like these are hard to find (I've found most through moments of boredom, while I click on 'Random Page' endlessly, lol.)

So, here are some of the multiple pages to be merged I've found:

Phew, that was a lot, though there are probably more. Anyway, IMO you can't make a good page without much to talk about, so merging these multiple empty pages will end up in fewer good pages. Quality vs. quantity, basically. -Memo326 20:30, 20 January 2008 (EST)

I don't know if Ordon Village and Ordon Ranch should be merged. From what I can remember, the Ranch is never actually said to actually be a part of Ordon Village. --Hisak 22:24, 20 January 2008 (EST)
I think for the islands, like Outset and Dragon Roost, there should be a section for landmarks. And then they should just simply state them. The Triangle Isles should be merged into one page as well.--Green 12:34, 21 January 2008 (EST)
I don't think the Triangle Isles should be merged due to the fact that they are three seperate islandsand aren't even anywher close to each other. They all take different pearls, and I believe there's a Korok and a wilted Deku Sprout on one of them. I don't think Fairy Forest or Aryll's Lookout should be merged because they're different places that actually have a purpose in the game and are part of the storyline. Green's idea is pretty good though. Ordon Ranch and Ordon Village definitely should not merged. I think Pictobox and Pictograph box should should be merged.--Icytriforc 21:03, 22 January 2008 (EST)
I agree, Green's suggestion is a good one. With that in mind, I'd agree with the Outset and Dragon Roost merges. Also definitely yes to Picto___ (I was gonna do that myself, but not sure under what title?) Less sure about the rest, but if done properly it could work. Maybe a discussion is needed at Talk:Picto Box about format/structure? --Adam (talk) 15:56, 23 January 2008 (EST)
Ok, I've merged the picto pages under Pictography; not entirely happy with it yet, it's sort of a work-in-progress. Now that most of the above has been completed, maybe it's time to turn our attention to the other articles to be merged? —Adam (talk) 18:13, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Huge Galleries

Articles such as Midna have giant galleries. I'm always wary of these types of things getting big because there are (although not many) users who still have slower connections, plus the galleries take up a lot of space. I think something for pages with galleries like these should be given the treatment that Link got, and have their galleries moved to a separate page. --Jase 21:35, 23 January 2008 (EST)

I did it for Midna.--Link hero of light 23:46, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Soul Calibur II and the CD-i games

I know that they aren't "technically" Zelda games, but I think that we should be giving Soul Calibur II and the CD-i games the same amount attention we've (I've) been giving the Smash Bros. games. If there's anyone with extensive knowledge of any of these games, could you create/improve pages for the characters and locations of these games? --Hisak 00:23, 10 February 2008 (EST)

I agree. I don't really focus on the non-canon Zelda info myself, plus I highly doubt anyone here actually has any of the CD-i games... The main reason I don't mess with the non-Zelda pages is because I don't necessarily agree with the Wiki's policies on non-Zelda content (full pages on Mario, Lucario, etc.? seriously?), so I probably wouldn't be good for that. Anyone else could, though. :P --Ando 16:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)
Did you know that, other than a site in french, were one of the only sources of information on the internet for the CD-i games (outside of wikipedia)? Yes, they're horrendously badly made, and the information in them isn't canon, and they're not part of the series... but surely denying their existence is censorship? A lot of the stuff we have didn't even exist a year ago, but I did some research (during which I laughed a lot. And died inside a little...) and created some basic info. Others have added information on the key characters, but it certainly needs to be improved. I may create a small template to link all the pages. (P.S. I know zero about Soul Calibur, so I can't comment). --Adam (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)
Maybe I should re-phrase my statement. I really only don't focus on non-canon content because I don't own any of the games. If I owned the games I'd be editing up a storm, believe me, but those things are expensive and I just don't have the funds.
May... maybe if anyone is willing to donate to the "Ando Wants the CD-i Games" fund? :D I'd buy 'em in a heartbeat. I've been wanting to play them anyway. :P--Ando 12:49, 11 February 2008 (EST)
Understood. Word of warning though; heed the advice of the french guy I mentioned, given here in the conclusion. The games and consoles are horrendously expensive, and looking at the videos on youtube I don't think anyone could honestly enjoy playing these games? --Adam (talk) 14:00, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Well actually, someone on amazon gave the Wand of Gamelon 4 stars[1]. But I agree, Soul Calibur and the CDi games should be given attention. I also think that The Legend of Zelda games template should have a new section called "Philips CD-i games", then under it have the Wand of Gamelon, Zelda's adventure and the Faces of Evil. But I can't be of much help on giving the articles attention, I don't own the games you see. :-(--Link hero of light 18:48, 12 February 2008 (EST)