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Right, so I've noticed that a lot of game-specific categories have been added to other, higher-level categories. For example, look at the Keese category. It's insanely over-categorized. Part of the problem is that a lot of enemy species have been added to various "race" categories, which I disagree with, but the main problem seems to be that (for example) the "OoT enemies" category, the "MM enemies category", the "TP enemies" category, etc. have all been added to the "Keese" category, when they really shouldn't be. And I've seen a lot of these on enemy categories and whatnot. So... what does everyone think about this? —Ceiling Master 16:12, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

I fully agree and support your point. It is even basically incorrect in terms of categorisation usefulness on wikis, categories are used primarily to facilitate and clarify the storage articles. Then the categories tree should remain clear and logic. Categories cannot be "categorised" like articles!WiseAdventurer (talk) 18:13, June 16, 2016 (UTC)
Gleeok Skeleton (Oracle of Seasons)
Sir Real – To ignore evil is to become an accomplice to it.
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Agreed. Categories themselves should not be subject to so much categorization; we should save this sort of thing for articles. Furthermore, we need to make a clear definition for "race," so that we can stop seeing certain kinds of enemies categorized under races. For some enemies, like Bokoblins, it makes sense, but Keese? I propose we restrict the "race" categorization to groups that have something of a culture and have specific characters. For instance, Moblins would be a race; even though they're typically enemies, we have seen specific characters who are Moblins, like the Secret Moblin, the Great Moblin, and Moe. On the other hand, Darknuts would not be considered a race, since even though they seem to be somewhat intelligent, there are no characters that I know of that are Darknuts.
Aquamentus (Oracle of Seasons)
Oni Dark Link – "My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies, Fairy tales of yesterday, will grow but never die, I can fly, my friends! The Show must go on! The Show must go on! I'll face it with a grin! I'm never giving in! On with the show! I'll top the bill! I'll overkill! I have to find the will to carry on! On with the, On with the show! The Show must go on."
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My opinion stands as pretty much everything that's been said here so far.
Pedestal of Time (Ocarina of Time)
Jedimasterlink – The Force will be with you, always.
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Fully agreed with everything said so far. The way these categories have been set up is frankly a mess, and I'm over here kicking myself for not noticing just how deep this category nonsense had gone.
Well now, just dropped by to see how things are turning out, but it seems everyone has agreed with each other. I do slightly wonder how we are going to get rid of all these "useless" categories though, considering the seemingly numerous amounts that are on this wiki. Is there a quick way of deleting them, or do we have to erase them one at a time?--Zakitaro (talk) 13:52, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
Aquamentus (Oracle of Seasons)
Oni Dark Link – "The written word is all that stands between memory and oblivion. Without books as our anchors, we are cast adrift, neither teaching nor learning. They are windows on the past, mirrors on the present, and prisms reflecting all possible futures. Books are lighthouses erected in the dark sea of time. - Jeffery Robbins"
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Deleting them isn't the troublesome part. It's removing the category from all the pages it's been added to after it's deleted. I suppose we could use a bot but I don't believe anyone who manages the site's bot is still around. I should learn to take over that.
Wallmaster (Ocarina of Time)
Ceiling Master – "You spoony bard!" —Tellah
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Yeah, without AWB, it all has to be done manually, but once we get a clear consensus on what needs to go, it shouldn't take that long. Like JML, I've been kicking myself for not noticing how far this went, but it's not completely irreparable.
I have just seen that all your bot users have not edited for a long time. I am a AWB user in some wikis, and I am a member (rollback) of the Xenoblade Wiki team along with CM, I manage a flagged bot there. Even though I do not have a flagged bot here, I can use AWB with my user profile in manual or semi-automatic modes according to the Wikia recommendations. If you want me to help you in Zeldapedia, do not hesitate to ask me for help. I can even ask the Wikia team for a bot flag in this wiki if you (the team and the community) want.WiseAdventurer (talk) 16:02, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
Aquamentus (Oracle of Seasons)
Oni Dark Link – "Nonsense. There will never be peace until the Bionis is destroyed! Your blade it did not cut deep enough. Permit me to apologies for calling you bugs just now. You proved to be a worthy adversary after all. - Egil"
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That could be a major help. We'll have to see exactly which catagories are staying or not staying first however.
Wallmaster (Ocarina of Time)
Ceiling Master – "Watch out for its shadow on the floor. Destroy it before it goes back up to the ceiling!" —Navi
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Upon further investigation, I've found the problem not only in Races, but also Enemies, Items, Locations, and Characters.

For example, the Fairy Clothing, Temples, and Sages categories are all inflated, so I almost wonder if AWB would be more harm then help if we used it. Like, we can't just remove every page from a category, we have to pick and choose which ones belong.

There is another point, an inconsistency in name, singular or plural, for example Category:Blin and Category:Babas (Category:Keese does not work because of an invariable name) or Category:Fruit while Category:Seeds... If you want I can help you with AWB, it will be useful here, do not hesitate.

Also I think some very recently added categories are useless even pointless (and probably does not respect this wiki management decisions) regarding the wiki itself or the Zelda series , for example Category:Fruit, Category:Soup or Category:Wallets. What is your opinion? WiseAdventurer (talk) 10:55, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Aquamentus (Oracle of Seasons)
Oni Dark Link – "To my dearest Albert, Happy Birthday. By the time you read this, chances are that I'll no longer be with you. So instead of giving you a present I'd like you to hear me out. Albert this is important. I don't want you to ever hate anyone. Something occurred to me. Feelings of love and feelings of hate both start out as caring about someone. It's sad, but I think that sometimes when those feelings aren't returned, those feelings of love change into hate. If something like that ever happen, I want you to think back to our childhood. Back to a time when we could only love openly and honestly no matter how often we got hurt. I want you to go on living Albert. Love people openly without being scared of getting hurt. I truly was lucky to have known you. - Franz d'Epinay. Forever in your heart."
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Categories are present for the purpose of navigation and for keeping similar concepts grouped together. I can't imagine anyone coming to a soup page and wanting to know more about soup in the Zelda series, and if by any chance they do, they can search soup and find a disambiguation directing them to all the soups in the series. Likewise they are similar concepts to the extent that they are the same thing but in terms of actual functionality within the game and their purpose, it falls under health restoring item (or something else). That's the sort of metric and logic I think we need to use when determining what stays and what doesn't
Wallmaster (Ocarina of Time)
Ceiling Master – "...Stand down. You're in my way, and the sight of your appalling hair makes my gorge rise." —Ghirahim
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Okay, I've been through what I think is most of the categories and I've removed the game-specific categories where they were overinflated. If anyone finds any more, just remove them.

So that really just leaves the issue of which categories we think are useless. Some of the stuff, like Letters and Quivers, don't seem completely terrible, but I could still be persuaded to get rid of them. I agree with what Oni said, but I'd like to know what everyone else thinks, too.

Side note: Harp, Ocarina, and Mushroom are all singular and should be plural. However, I'm not going to change them yet, seeing as we may vote to remove them altogether.

DLC categories

Heropon Riki Dance
WiseAdventurer – "Nyapakapow!" —Riki
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I would like to propose something, I would like to add a categorization for DLC, I think about a main "Downloadable Content" for all the games concerned (in the future) and a "The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild DLC" (under both "Downloadable Content" and "The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild", to group items, quests, enemies obtained through DLCs (I do not think that we need specific DLC subcategories for each item, quest, enemy, etc. categories of a game (BotW here) on Zeldapedia according to the current whole categorisation rule here). What do you think? Are you agree?
Aquamentus (Oracle of Seasons)
Oni Dark Link – "I hope that whoever you are, you escape this place. I hope that the world turns and that things get better. But what I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you. I love you. With all my heart, I love you. - Valery (V for Vendetta movie)"
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I agree. In fact, I think I may even have suggested it at some point.
Zephos
Green Rupee – "Pictures taken instantaneously! I'm a photographic genius, if I do say so myself! Okay, get ready for an instant memory! Look at the camera... Ready... Say, "fuzzy pickles."" — The Camera Man
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Sounds good. Go for it.
Heropon Riki Dance
WiseAdventurer – "Nyapakapow!" —Riki
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OK, done: Category:The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild DLC < Category:Downloadable Content
Aquamentus (Oracle of Seasons)
Oni Dark Link – "So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Protect the king, obey the king, obey your father, protect the innocent, defend the weak. And what if your father despises the king? What is the king massacres the innocent? It's too much. No matter what you do your forsaking one vow or another. - Jaime Lannister"
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If anyone is feeling motivated, a page like List of Downloadable Content in The Legend of Zelda Breath of The Wild could be really useful. Similar to how we have pages for listing items and characters. Specifically, it would be a good way of detailing the release history and packages of the content on one page, rather than several
Heropon Riki Dance
WiseAdventurer – "Nyapakapow!" —Riki
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Yes, this was my intention, I am thinking about such a page, to start usefully, this page containing the "download content" section of the main page The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (release history and packages in particular) and the list of the items, quests, enemies, equipment, etc. obtained through DLC.
Heropon Riki Dance
WiseAdventurer – "Nyapakapow!" —Riki
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Here the starting page: User:WiseAdventurer/List of downloadable content in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. What do you think about it?
Aquamentus (Oracle of Seasons)
Oni Dark Link – "You couldn't resist it in the end? A mistake, I fancy. It gets under your skin, life. Speaking metaphorically, of course. And you see, the more you struggle for every moment, the more alive you stay... which is where I come in, as a matter of fact. - Death"
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Looks good. Wouldn't even give it the stub tag. Only thing I feel it really needs is some images. The different packs do have cover images in the game, they might exist on the official site or something.
Heropon Riki Dance
WiseAdventurer – "Nyapakapow!" —Riki
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Yes, a good point, I will try to find and add images.
Wallmaster (Ocarina of Time)
Ceiling Master – "...Stand down. You're in my way, and the sight of your appalling hair makes my gorge rise." —Ghirahim
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Great idea, having the DLC stuff on one page and adding categories for them. I'm a little late here, but full steam ahead, I say!