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Jedimasterlink – Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. --Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Recently, the issue of how we should deal with fanon came up again, so I decided this is something we need to get back to. Rather than rebooting an old forum that was more about what to put on pages with canon topics, I started this forum to discuss entirely fan-based material. Of course, I am talking about anything Nintendo had no part in such as fan game projects, movies/viral videos, the horde of abridged series on YouTube, etc. We can't just make a page for literally anything remotely Zelda-inspired we find, for obvious practical reasons, so we need to clearly define when does and does not deserve a page. Discuss. (As a starting point, a lot of fan material will be videos, so there's something to talk about.)
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Indeed, seems like the idea was to create articles for the most popular series, but seeing as how there's a chance of it being overtaken by a more popular one (i.e. adamwestslapdog's abridged series vs. that newer more popular one) this'll make things difficult. With that in mind, I'm more in favor of a fan films/series articles (like fan games) being as comprehensive a list as possible. What then to do with Legend of Neil, I do not know.
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I'm in agreement with AK on the making a list thingy. On the subject of the abridged series... there's a ton on YouTube, so we should probably only list the ones with over X amount of views, which could become a hassle. And with Legend of Neil, it's a big thing so, I really don't know either.
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Me too. A fan films/series (probably the latter) article works for me, and as Jazzi said we're not just going to list every unpopular little thing out there (God, that sounds so shallow :P). I dunno about TLoN either but we could either make an exception and give it its own page or somehow incorporate it into the Fan films/series page.
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Kind of like what was mentioned already, maybe we could make a single page (Maybe something like "The Legend of Zelda Fanon" or something) for all the popular fanon and maybe have redirects to that page (like a redirect for "The Legend of Zelda: The Abridged Series" and so on). However, I don't think that it should be based on if it obtains a certain number of views, but rather on popularity (measured somehow else, like how prevalent on the Internet it is or something)

Yeah I agree with what you guys are saying but instead of just one page for all fanon maybe make a page for all the abridged series and then make another page for all the fan made movies etc. Cory Jaynes (talk) 03:35, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


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I know some have become part of the The Legend of Zelda series culture, but do we really need to have articles about fanon material? Maybe a few pages that summarize the important fan movies, games, and other will be enough.
Pedestal of Time (Ocarina of Time)
Jedimasterlink – Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. --Albert Einstein
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Let's consider what we have if we're going to put everything onto one page. Right now, we have The Hero of Time, The Legend of Neil, AWLD's Abridged Series (OoT and MM), Jadusable, various fan games, and...I feel like I'm missing something. In any case, there isn't a whole lot. Putting everything one one page may not be such a bad idea, though adding things over time may make this a problem in the long run. I still think making separate pages for everything (like we already have) allows us to go into more detail, though I like the idea of putting the Abridged stuff into lists since those, unlike other projects, need little more than a plot summary (it's not like there's a ton of development or critical reception to deal with). I think we should do the same thing with fan games.
I've been wondering what to say in this thread for a while now, and I think I like Jedi's idea best. Some things can have their own page (The Hero of Time for example was kind of a big thing and even got Nintendo's attention, which is quite a feet), while other things can be presented in list form. I like the idea of doings list for the abridged series and fan games, and the other things we can leave with their own pages (I'm also open to further listifying suggestion if someone thinks it's a good idea). If the youtube series go into list form, I think it'd then be fine to just add whatever seems popular rather than worrying about which is the most popular or making a specific view count cutoff. Also, I think there should be a category for fanon, which would remove some of the need for a comprehensive fanon list page. I think that discussion fits better here though.--FierceDeku 04:11, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

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Let's consider what we have if we're going to put everything onto one page. Right now, we have The Hero of Time, The Legend of Neil, AWLD's Abridged Series (OoT and MM), Jadusable, various fan games, and...I feel like I'm missing something. In any case, there isn't a whole lot. Putting everything one one page may not be such a bad idea, though adding things over time may make this a problem in the long run. I still think making separate pages for everything (like we already have) allows us to go into more detail, though I like the idea of putting the Abridged stuff into lists since those, unlike other projects, need little more than a plot summary (it's not like there's a ton of development or critical reception to deal with). I think we should do the same thing with fan games.

So, roughly two years and I've got a decent idea on how we can go about this:

While it will get some users joining just to add fanon content, we could contact Wikia about them creating a new namespace just for Fanon. I honestly can't think of a name for the namespace besides "Fanon" but clearly we'd have to get something better. We would have to create a policy for adding information to that namespace and I'm pretty sure that we can make it so that when you create a page in that namespace you will get a message alerting you to the policy. I think this would be a far better idea, and of course, we will have to have a discussion for what should be added and what shouldn't, but I find this idea to actually be helpful. – EnemyPeacemaker 20:16, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't we apply for the namespace right now then, so we'll get it approximately nine months from now? --AuronKaizer! 20:22, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
It looks like we pretty much already have the pages organized as we described them, except the abridged series. The abridged series have kind of gone out of style as far as I know, and I question whether they're still notable. Anyway, as for your suggestion, let's give it a shot. Do we call the new namespace "Fan works" or "Fan media", or something like that? That's the best I can come up with right now. Jedimasterlink (talk) 23:01, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

This sounds like a great idea to me. I like Fan Media as the main space name. I'd say the notability should be based on popularity by view count (for videos. Fan games and other things would be a lot harder to determine what is notable). Oni Dark Link 23:47, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

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